Law in the Internet Society

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East of Eben

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John Steinbeck, East of Eden
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There's a confusion here between the symbolic value of ideas and their actual content. The point you want to make isn't really in dialogue with me, and it would be better framed by leaving me out altogether. Otherwise, you have to deal not with what my ideas symbolize here, but what they actually are. This is a distraction from your real points.

First, the existence of property relations is not even roughly congruent to "there are monetary incentives to create." A moment's thought will convince you that creators are paid to create in systems where no property rights are present in the work, whether you think diachronically about human history, or synchronically about parts of human economic activity currently not part of the "intellectual property" paradigm. So any discussion that really responds to my ideas, the ones you are summarizing here, has to give up at the outset "Moglen means creators don't have to be paid anymore," or some other baloney like that. Arguments erected on that scaffolding are pure hokum from ground level up.

Second, the real outcome of networking the human race ought to be the quantative increase in human creative output by an order of magnitude, as the human race actually is allowed to use all the minds of the people who are poor, to read and write and listen and talk and paint and dance and watch and sing, just like rich people. If you are going to conduct some faux-utilitarian discussion, or write poetic fables, or anything in between, about what we are all doing on this planet, your ideas should be one way or another in contact with that reality.

Either your next draft should leave me out of the story, concentrating on what, in the most carefully thought-through way, you have to say yourself, or it should do me the justice of representing my thoughts the way I think them.

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