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BalancingPrivacyWithLegitimateGroundsToSue 2 - 27 Jan 2013 - Main.EbenMoglen
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< < | I recently read the article "Web of Lies," written by Jane Kirtley (available at:http://www.ajr.org/article_printable.asp?id=4044). Kirtley discusses one of the conflicts posed by an anonymous web -- that of making parties unable to sue for libel based on defamatory comments posted anonymously online. I think this is somewhat of an interesting topic because of the increasing and recognized credibility of some sources that are available to be edited online (such as Wikipedia). It bothered me to read that something someone posted online could lead to a lawsuit. I did find some solace in the DE high court at least ruling that a potential plaintiff must first try to notify the poster that he intends to seek an order disclosing the poster's identity and give him a chance to oppose it (hopefully anonymously). _ Should a person be protected from all legal action for lying online if they choose to post anonymously?_ I can imagine a situation, as mentioned in the article, where a person's reputation is central to their career. If anonymously fabricated slanderous remarks made online are not legally actionable due to a complete cloak of anonymity for the poster, where does that leave the potential plaintiff? Is society better off leaving politicians and other people in the public sphere with no legal remedy? | > > | I recently read the article Web of Lies, written by Jane Kirtley. Kirtley discusses one of the conflicts posed by an anonymous web -- that of making parties unable to sue for libel based on defamatory comments posted anonymously online. I think this is somewhat of an interesting topic because of the increasing and recognized credibility of some sources that are available to be edited online (such as Wikipedia). It bothered me to read that something someone posted online could lead to a lawsuit. I did find some solace in the DE high court at least ruling that a potential plaintiff must first try to notify the poster that he intends to seek an order disclosing the poster's identity and give him a chance to oppose it (hopefully anonymously). _ Should a person be protected from all legal action for lying online if they choose to post anonymously?_ I can imagine a situation, as mentioned in the article, where a person's reputation is central to their career. If anonymously fabricated slanderous remarks made online are not legally actionable due to a complete cloak of anonymity for the poster, where does that leave the potential plaintiff? Is society better off leaving politicians and other people in the public sphere with no legal remedy? | | I also thought it was noteworthy that Wikipedia is mentioned in the article for removing an entry which sparked a complaint, and for turning over the IP number of the person who had posted it. | | -- SamuelDostart - 27 Jan 2013 | |
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I edited your text to put the link where it belonged, as a link.
Please try to use this course as an opportunity to learn to write
Webly. Making good use of the powers of hypertext is now a much more
socially-important communications skill than learning Bluebook style
for footnoting. (Footnotes? Really?)
On substance, and in a limited compass, because this is a course about
the so-called "constitutional" aspects of the changes wrought by the
Net:
I think you're not taking fully into account the way the First
Amendment interacts with state tort law. New York Times v. Sullivan
is a state action case: the source of the
constitutional problem is the use of the state's courts to intervene
against protected speech. The same principle applies also to the use of the courts to force disclosure of anonymous communication's authorship where the anonymity of the communication is constitutionally protected. So your inquiry is about the breadth of the right to anonymous speech. Perhaps at a minimum the question whether "the Internet" has anything to do with this should be postponed to the actual analysis. I don't myself see why forcing the disclosure from an intermediary is different when the intermediary is connected to the speaker by digital rather than analog communication. I don't think Ms Kirtley's approach to the question is calculated to get to the most interesting possible answers. You can do better, I think, by working harder on the constitutional questions (which are really political questions dressed up as law, taking—as always—technology into account), and forgetting "the Internet" for the moment. If you don't make the Great Reification Error, and you substitute "given that everyone's connected to everybody else at low cost with little friction but very uncertain 'anonymity'" for "the Internet," it's really an inquiry into the political structure of limitation we call "respect for free speech."
On Wikipedia:
In thinking about businesses, one tries to understand how they make
their livings, and how they can make them better. Because making a
living is finally all they care about. In trying to understand
anarchist free culture entities, which aren't even like non-profits
that are trying to accumulate ownership, how they make their living
is not the most important question. What matters most to them is
what kind of society they are trying to be. Wikipedia is not a forum
for anonymous communication. Wikipedians are responsible to one
another for the shared values their society represents. Wikipedia is
built accountably. It respects the privacy of all its users, who can
also be all its editors. It doesn't track them or spy on them. But
it does not aspire to provide anonymity to editors. Its design
reflects the community's fundamental commitments, both to privacy and
to accountability. The community's approach is expressed
operationally in dozens of areas. Its standards for achieving
neutral point of view, just to take one example, presuppose the
relevance of identity. So the Wikipedia history,
as Wikipedia would like to teach you,
allows anyone to find out who has edited anything, and from what IP address.
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BalancingPrivacyWithLegitimateGroundsToSue 1 - 27 Jan 2013 - Main.SamuelDostart
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I recently read the article "Web of Lies," written by Jane Kirtley (available at:http://www.ajr.org/article_printable.asp?id=4044). Kirtley discusses one of the conflicts posed by an anonymous web -- that of making parties unable to sue for libel based on defamatory comments posted anonymously online. I think this is somewhat of an interesting topic because of the increasing and recognized credibility of some sources that are available to be edited online (such as Wikipedia). It bothered me to read that something someone posted online could lead to a lawsuit. I did find some solace in the DE high court at least ruling that a potential plaintiff must first try to notify the poster that he intends to seek an order disclosing the poster's identity and give him a chance to oppose it (hopefully anonymously). _ Should a person be protected from all legal action for lying online if they choose to post anonymously?_ I can imagine a situation, as mentioned in the article, where a person's reputation is central to their career. If anonymously fabricated slanderous remarks made online are not legally actionable due to a complete cloak of anonymity for the poster, where does that leave the potential plaintiff? Is society better off leaving politicians and other people in the public sphere with no legal remedy?
I also thought it was noteworthy that Wikipedia is mentioned in the article for removing an entry which sparked a complaint, and for turning over the IP number of the person who had posted it.
-- SamuelDostart - 27 Jan 2013
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