AsherKalman 7 - 20 Feb 2020 - Main.AsherKalman
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| | The essence is that all concepts must be based in real experience | |
< < | CRITIQUE: What is “real experience” this article assumes such a thing exists and apparently is universal | > > | Question: What is “real experience” this article assumes such a thing exists and apparently is universal | | Law = the prophecies of what judges will do | | The article thinks that we are moving in a functional direction away from just restating the dogma of the past in legal principle | |
< < | CRITIQUE: It seems to me the issue isn’t that legal concepts don’t reflect facts, but the utility of those facts is not significant | > > | Question: It seems to me the issue isn’t that legal concepts don’t reflect facts, but the utility of those facts is not significant | | The functional approach should be applied to: | | Conversation between Robinson and a lawyer/former classmate (the poet): | |
< < | Robinson (Vietnam vet/PD): Lawyers are increasingly known for greed, are increasing common, and are effective in our society | > > | Robinson (Vietnam vet/man who has his own private criminal defense practice): Lawyers are increasingly known for greed, are increasing common, and are effective in our society | | | |
< < | Robinson was an eccentric, intelligent law student at Michigan in the 70s, then a clerk, prosecutor, and now running his own practice | > > | Robinson was an eccentric, intelligent law student at Michigan in the 70s, then a clerk, prosecutor | | Story: 20 y/o B&E into DAs house, got indicted for everything |
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AsherKalman 6 - 13 Feb 2020 - Main.AsherKalman
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> > | The Folklore of Capitalism
1 - The Systems of Government and the Thinking Man
1930s: those wanting to be elected could not talk about important environmental policy changes due to fear of being labelled a communist or fascist
This called for a new class of social organization, and as has always been the case, such new classes are initially looked down upon
E.g., heresy, communism--people with free will listened to the devil and ended up in hell, it’s always the same story
Laws and morals array against newcomer social groups, who violate the prevailing mythology
The “thinking man” is an abstract idea of someone who has free will and can understand sound principles without being clouded by emotion; he is the guy public debate is addressed to
In America, we look to the more disastrous examples of people with other creeds to demonstrate why ours is the best
We do not choose creeds (e.g., capitalism) through some rational process
The war among capitalism, communism, and fascism is one of the greatest obstacles to practical treatment of day-to-day needs of Americans
One or the other of the bad ones get applied to things like soil conservation
We get so attached to policies marked capitalism we won’t feed our people if it requires associating with a police marked communism
Our political beliefs are religious in nature--we still have crusades
They search for universal truth
We see a court as being a key instrument to dictate the social philosophy of posterity, and it always fails
2 - The Psychology of Social Institutions
Whenever people seek universal truth, the creeds of government become more significant and the practical activities of government suffer as a result
There are always heros behind our mythologies/creeds
We cannot tell how creeds operate because any issue can be attributed to the creed not being properly followed, which means creeds have no meaning whatsoever apart from the organizations
they’re attached to
The individuals and smaller organizations reflect the larger organizations
All organizations have:
(1) a creed,
(2) set of attitudes making the creed effective,
(3) institutional habits, causing people to work together without conscious choice, and
(4) a mythology/historical tradition
Constitutions furnish limits beyond which controversy must not extend; attacking the constitution itself is heresy
And the supreme courts oscillates between refusing the change the thing and incorporating modern notions
Creeds are extremely alike
Constitutions’ words do not explain a creed
E.g., 5th amendment discussing persons; justifies corporate protection
It’s the imaginary personalities that make up the content of a creed
Right now, the American businessman creed dominates this country--they are the national heroes, and the devil is governmental interference
Creeds are also self-fulfilling; our government is bureaucratized because of this
The only way to overcome this is a new social class with new heroes
Traders and salesmen may end up becoming this new class--with new economic thinking
Regardless of creed, democracy became accepted as a political fact
It is not longer a creed, as it isn’t put on a pedestal, but it is still widespread, used with the knowledge that it is more important majority will is followed than rationality (political
realism)
Democracy created a small elite political class: aristocratic background plus emotion-inducing political techniques
But as it’s become more embedded, people have become more skillful and there’s less emotion-inducing political techniques being used
Now we think of improving government by changing what the people want, not what should be done
We don’t get caught between democracy, monarchy, and aristocracy any more
Capitalism is used today not for its content but to battle against other creeds
3 - The Folklore of 1937
Law and economics was the principal means by which the folklore of 1937 was expressed--the time’s universal truths
Folklore blinded people from the practical running of government--all the wanted to do was protect society from becoming Russian or German
Details don’t change minds when a powerful abstract idea confronts them
This manifested in reactions to Roosevelt’s court packing and stimulus plans
An analogy: old medical cure of bleeding patients meant that any other cure, for example quinine, was sacrilegious, and connected to Jesuits, a despised creed at the time
The “thinking man” is no longer essential to the field of medicine, it’s skill in his place
Law was designed to preserve moral freedom and individualism
Economics supplied the principles which would make incoherent legislative bodies act with utility
Two limiting principles of capitalism: economic (regulated by the two political parties) and legal) regulated by the courts
SCOTUS was the unifying body in american government at the time, as it threw out Roosevelt’s policies
Political parties were supposed to care more for posterity than getting votes for its leaders, which was, in fact, political suicide
Psychiatrists were practical by 1937, not trying to perfect their patients but making them comfortable and protecting society
Socialists, opposed to the industry-politicians, had their own heresy issue, kicking out those who were not true believers
We ended up with constitution-worship
14 - Some Principles of Political Dynamics
The personification of our industrial enterprise are psychological barriers to the growth of organizations with definite public responsibility
Political dynamics is a science about society, recognizing the interdependent nature of its constituent parts--the individual, submerged in the organization
Organizations have habits and personalities, a result of accident (who randomly gets to be in control first) and environment
Once an organization’s personality is fixed, it’s difficult to change
This is why reform rarely works and revolution is impelled
With habits, come profit and property
And with these, contradictory roles
These organizations grow, regardless of their roles serving their members
In order to function, institutional creeds must contradict the organization’s operation--consistency of creed, but also realism
And a ceremony must be used to paper over this contradiction
And its effectiveness can only be judges from within; e.g., political arguments to your own side in a campaign--politics is who can get your side to love itself most
When ceremonies cannot overcome contradiction, institutions split between practical and idealistic parts
The confusion accompanying many reform movements is that if the institution does what it says it ought do, its function will fail
A social need will never be satisfied until it gets its own philosophy/abstraction
To succeed in change, you must have an organization as your principal, not logic
Organizations die because of phobias against practical common-sense action produced by their own ideas
Thesis: we need to be able to fit ideals to serve practical needs | |
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AsherKalman 5 - 07 Feb 2020 - Main.AsherKalman
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| | Robinson’s Metamorphosis | |
< < | Conversation between Robinson and a corporate lawyer/former classmate (the first person): | > > | Conversation between Robinson and a lawyer/former classmate (the poet): | | | |
< < | Robinson: Lawyers are increasingly known for greed, are increasing common, and are effective in our society | > > | Robinson (Vietnam vet/PD): Lawyers are increasingly known for greed, are increasing common, and are effective in our society | | | |
< < | Robinson was an eccentric, intelligent law student at Michigan in the 70s, then a clerk, prosecutor, and now in the private sector running his own practice | > > | Robinson was an eccentric, intelligent law student at Michigan in the 70s, then a clerk, prosecutor, and now running his own practice | | Story: 20 y/o B&E into DAs house, got indicted for everything |
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AsherKalman 4 - 04 Feb 2020 - Main.AsherKalman
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| | This criticism is a critical cohort of the objective functionalist method | |
> > | Robinson’s Metamorphosis
Conversation between Robinson and a corporate lawyer/former classmate (the first person):
Robinson: Lawyers are increasingly known for greed, are increasing common, and are effective in our society
Robinson was an eccentric, intelligent law student at Michigan in the 70s, then a clerk, prosecutor, and now in the private sector running his own practice
Story: 20 y/o B&E into DAs house, got indicted for everything
Dad wouldn’t put him up for bail and an inmate cut his fingers off while waiting for trial
Jurors love the law, but hate lawyers
The legal system is hell
He subtly let it be known he knew the judge and the prosecuting DA (an attractive woman) “knew” one another. The kid got a year
They go to a chinese spot for lunch, the conversation continued:
A jail nearby (the tombs) was shut down by federal order, but reopened--now it’s state of the art, but cannot get rid of the smell
Jefferson quote about equality etched on the wall; Robinson mentions how women and slaves were not included
There’s a new jail “new tombs” with a buddha outside
Robinson points out a boy who he thinks is an illegal immigrant because he looks like he’s scared
They sat down outside on public benches, and Robinson covered the seat with napkins
The corporate lawyers asks what murders are like
He says TV has turned the criminally disposed eyes’ into a camera, and people like witnessing themselves do crazy stuff like shoot people with Uzis
They talk about a book Robinson was reading about Kafka
He was in workers comp and a lawyer
Robinson says metamorphosis has always intrigued him
What if every lawyer metamorphosed into a prisoner and the reverse
Corporate lawyer says there will be more lawyers then
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AsherKalman 3 - 01 Feb 2020 - Main.AsherKalman
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> > | Notes
Holmes: The Path of the Law
Lawyers exist to predict when the state will act on people through the courts
A “duty”, for example, is a prediction that someone will suffer consequences if he breaches it
Although the law is seeped in moral language, it is not moral because:
Law is designed to force people to follow it whether they believe in the morals or not
Not all laws are morally good
Morals don’t even always limit law
The law taxes and penalizes, but from the bad man’s point of view, they are the same thing
In contract law, people are misled to finding it moral to not breach
And similarly in tort, where “malicious” doesn’t mean malicious in a moral sense
What causes the law to change and grow
Logic is not the only thing, as some things are qualitatively valued by individuals
Judges act based on what they value socially, and they should express that more clearly
Tradition also shapes law--history explains law: “It is revolting to have no better reason for a rule of law than that so it was laid down in the time of Henry IV”
Lawyers need to learn economics to be able to make good policy decisions. They ought also study jurisprudence: the ability to generalize and analogize facts to other sets of facts. These are key to prediction
Transcendental Nonsense and the Functional Approach
Question: do we find our laws in nature or create them
Example case: Tauza
In this case, the court asked where a corporation was without considering policy questions (e.g., difficulty for P and D to sue in X state, etc.). Instead, it was literally trying to figure out where it was, even though it’s obviously a legal fiction
And it did, determining an office in NY meant it could be sued there
Transcendental Nonsense means, a legal fiction.
Judges pretending legal things like corporations actually exist in the world and can be placed
The problem: this makes it easy for judges to forget the fictions they’re dealing with are fictional. And they don’t think about policy: how the decisions affect real people
Another example is a lawyer for a union defending it against tort liability for its union members not because liability would ruin all union activities, but because a union is not a person because it is unincorporated
We must not justify legal rules in legal terms because that’s circular. There must be an empirical or ethical basis
An example is protecting a trademark because it is economically valuable. And it is valuable because it can be legally protected
And this is based in courts “thingifying” property, which has no basis, but is assumed to be found in nature
This just makes lay people have no idea what courts do
This whole process ignores whether having trademarks is even a good thing for society. And it’s just legal reasoning masquerading as legal prejudice/inequality
Same thing with valuing public utilities; courts value them, but their value depends on what the court values them at
Same thing with what does “due process of law” mean? SCOTUS says it means whatever we said it meant in the past
Since legal concepts are not bounded in ethical or empirical foundations, they are a separate form of transcendental nonsense that cannot be challenged by ethics or empiricism
The solution: the functional approach
Functionalism, in simple terms, asks why is something significant. It attacks dogmas which are not based in practical experience
The only meaningful questions is how do courts decide cases and how ought they
The essence is that all concepts must be based in real experience
CRITIQUE: What is “real experience” this article assumes such a thing exists and apparently is universal
Law = the prophecies of what judges will do
Holmes says laws should be signposts telling us certain facts reside here
The article thinks that we are moving in a functional direction away from just restating the dogma of the past in legal principle
CRITIQUE: It seems to me the issue isn’t that legal concepts don’t reflect facts, but the utility of those facts is not significant
The functional approach should be applied to:
(1) The definition of law
Prophecies of what the court will do, in fact -Holmes
We don’t care if this definition is correct, we care that it’s useful
And it will demonstrate what the ethics of the court are
(2) The nature of legal rules and concepts
Hobbes thinks law is the state using its power
Coke thinks it the perfection of reason and is moral
Blackstone stuck both together, leading to confusion
With this understanding of law, asking, for example, is there a contract, confuses what exists with what should exist
(3) The theory of legal decision
Beyond the yes/no decision, what makes up decision?
Decisions have social determinants, and are not just what the judge ate that day
It is very predictable, and if everything surrounding those decisions was not predictable (the sheriff will enforce it, there are appellate procedures), nobody would care who won the case
The main (but incomplete) predictive factors:
Judges act based on their wealth class
Judges act based on if they worked for a special interest before
Judges are impacted by eloquence of counsel
This is why law students need to be detectives, know the political bent of judges, etc.
(4) The role of legal criticism
We need more consequentialist criticism of current legal rules
This criticism is a critical cohort of the objective functionalist method | |
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